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hey welcome to it guys here we go uhp

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studies podcast uh episode one of two

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for a tear in the sky which is a new

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movie that's just come out uh highly

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anticipated and we have a couple of the

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stars from that movie uh we have david

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altman and david mason so uh before we

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bring him on the show uh joining me as

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usual of course my illustrious co-host

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jason gilmette how are you buddy i'm

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doing very good today how are you i'm

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good i'm excited uh we had a chance to

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watch the movie um and uh we want to

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discuss obviously what went into that

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but also just get to know these guys on

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a personal level if you did see the film

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uh you know that they're both very

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talented and uh um you know right

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choices for this type of thing but um

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for the sake of ease i think we're going

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to refer to dave altman as david

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and dave mason as dave because this is

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going to get real confusing otherwise so

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david altman

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and dave mason yeah so welcome to the

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show david altman and dave mason

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hey thank you thank you thanks for

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having us so we'll start with uh david

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altman uh tell us a little bit about

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sort of yourself your history i know

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when i checked you on facebook i saw a

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lot of talent scout for like sony

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converge

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and so clearly you're in the music world

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but what got you into the uap phenomenon

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and then kind of what got you into this

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film or how did you stumble

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i think what got me into the phenomenon

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was that um when my parents got divorced

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when i was like seven or eight

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my mom and i went to go live with my

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grandmother and

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she was a librarian at the local library

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and my mom would would be working when i

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got off the school so i'd go to a

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library and she would sit me down in the

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science fiction section

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was right by the big foot books and the

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ufo books and that's kind of how i got

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started in that um

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so yeah so i started in the music

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business i was in a music business like

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20 years at least

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i managed bands i tore and managed bands

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i managed bands like newfound glory um i

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worked for every pretty much every label

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i mean you like you were saying i mean

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virgin interscope sony all of them um i

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did uh a r work and scouting for new

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and then when the music business died uh

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i kind of just floated around

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and um i got into

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working in tv which is what i do now and

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i work as a consultant on pretty much

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any ufo show that's on i do work on i

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worked on the jj abrams series i worked

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tmz special all that stuff

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i also do development which is where we

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actually create new shows which is what

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working on i think four or five

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different new shows for that um so okay

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so how i got involved with the movie

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um i'm friends with ben hansen and ben

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knows caroline and caroline s ben

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you know she was like hey i'm going to

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do my new movie my next movie you know

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what should i do and on and ben said

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talk to dave altman and then caroline

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or hit me up on facebook then we call

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each other and then here we are

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awesome so dave mason uh you finally got

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your background figured out you must be

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happy about that yeah and uh if anyone

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who's watched the movie they know that

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uh you're obviously a brilliant mind

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some of the inventions that are featured

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on the show it blew my mind i'm the

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science-minded guy and

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you know we'll talk a bit about that

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later on but again tell us a bit about

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your background what got you into this

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clearly you've been doing this since a

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inventing and creating and tinkering and

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uh so tell us a little bit about

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yourself and then what got you involved

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with the movie

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okay so i got involved as a kid i

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remember checking out books at the

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library about ufos and you kind of did

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that in secret and you didn't tell your

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friends you know it was like a real

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taboo subject so i really got intrigued

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by it and when i was 13 i built a ufo

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detector uh based on a compass and what

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this compass did is if you just had it

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set up i had a photo transistor and an

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led and an alarm circuit that would uh

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needle and so i was already learning

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electronics at a very young age i

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show-and-tell

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is actually kevin day had um

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brought me onto his team which he's

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founded which is called uapx

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and he discovered me and asked me to

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join and and i said yes and i would i

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would do this and uh that's

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where it where it began

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and um and then of course carolyn corey

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made a discovery of uh along with david

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altman linking um

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the uh oh yeah i forgot to mention i

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forgot to mention i was

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way before caroline ever got a hold of

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i love them right right so anyway that's

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where she discovered us and then we were

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just a ragtag team i mean really we were

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unproven um untested

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with each other but we never knew if we

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were going to be compatible or working

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she took a tremendous risk um you know

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financing this ragtag team to do this

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expedition

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equipment that you see on both rooftops

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uh there's two rooftops i i supply to

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device i didn't bring which was on a

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tripod this is a camera with a dome and

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fleer cameras all of my

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uh we didn't get a chance to show all of

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the inventions and the production and

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expedition that were utilized so but

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and for those who don't know or haven't

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seen the film yet we won't give it away

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hardcore scientific evidence like

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recorded evidence that even skeptics

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legitimate right for science-minded

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people and you did it with the

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triangulation method where you had three

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separate observation points because it's

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and a visual at the same time it's way

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more credible sighting the more eyes and

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the more data you have on it and the

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thing i was most impressed with was your

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machine that could take light and

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unique signature i mean to the naked eye

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orange more red more whatever but to

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actually make that have a unique

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signature almost like the sound that a

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whale not something else so for you to

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do that with lights in the sky i thought

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was genius and unbelievable

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well well thank you and i'm actually

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covering it with three different

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inventions so the movie

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the light to sound that's actually the

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simplest of the circuits and then i have

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night vision goggles where you can look

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through and and have gen 3 night vision

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so that's another that's a new totally

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you know i'm not going to say how i do

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you know let people try to figure it out

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but the most unique one i have which

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which is i know that even most clear

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engineers aren't going to know is the

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thermal camera that i re-engineered that

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warm temperatures i have a demo video

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which i'm holding private right now and

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what what i've invented

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most people in this field in that when i

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objects that are recorded i'm a guy who

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actually designed circuits within these

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cameras so i'm somebody who's very

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familiar with thermal cameras in my

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company we contracted with a thermal

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dod and other contractors so we

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circuits along on these paths

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what'd you say i missed what you said i

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said i said you know what you're doing

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yeah i know what i'm doing so

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there's a lot of uapx members in this

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movie can you guys talk a bit about uapx

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who's involved what's it about

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other than everybody has their had

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different roles um so i was the guy who

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you know brought the equipment and the

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inventions

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um you know some of the guys supplied

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their story of what happened to him in

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the in the event of the tic tac

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who were the the phd scientists that

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were looking over the data and i was

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working closely with them

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and i got to give him a tour of the

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inventions and the equipment rack that i

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easier dave would be like you know

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we had we actually had four locations

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cat on catalina island we had two

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different rooftops so

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so so one night

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first it was me it was just me michael

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hall and our camera guy for

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like the first three nights

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and then christy newton came so that was

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three of us looking and then the camera

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guy

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and about a half mile from the hotel i

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was at was another hotel we would we

286
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would go back and forth so we have to

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carry all the gear from and there's no

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cars on catalina island you got to carry

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everything literally by hand had to

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carry all the gear all the camera

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equipment back and forth to these two

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rooftops

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and then so that so figure if you

294
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actually want to say it right it would

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be catalina's one location with three

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different rooftops or two different

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rooftops then we had the rooftop in

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laguna

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where mason and the rest of the guys

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were

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and then we had jeremy mcgowan and the

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ghostbusters mobile uh the osiris so

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which was a you know considered another

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location so you've got

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that's the three that you that we

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triangulated with

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yeah right

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and this like how much of it of a

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strategic nightmare is it or technical

310
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nightmare is it when you have a

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triangulation like that with all the

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equipment that you have was it pretty

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much smooth sailing or was there some

314
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yeah i'll tell you i'll tell you yeah

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i'll tell you how that happened so

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i i

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i was i was there for five nights on

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catalina

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for the first two nights we weren't able

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to record any of our night vision or any

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of our findings

322
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we i don't know what happened it was

323
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just a mix-up with communication with

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production but we ended up on the island

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with just just night vision and

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binoculars no way to record any so if we

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saw something if a uap or ufo showed up

328
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like what what were we gonna do right

329
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you know um so but we figured out to

330
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take the our iphones and then we could

331
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record the night vision through that

332
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that's the that's the images that you

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see

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nights with my own eyes not even with my

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admission

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so i think it was like the third night

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second or third and i don't remember

338
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um yeah chrissy wasn't there she had

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left and it was just me and michael hall

340
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and that's when when you see when i see

341
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that whatever it is i saw i don't know

342
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what it was i know what it wasn't so i

343
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if i had the night mission goggles

344
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i could see it and if i took them down

345
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there's nothing there

346
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so i see nothing i put them on and

347
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there's like a white orb you know

348
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pulsating out there

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so

350
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when we saw that a couple times michael

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hall went put his goggles on he could

352
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see it and that's when we called we

353
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called over to the other location

354
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and we're like hey guys

355
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in real time like you know this is what

356
00:12:38,629 --> 00:12:37,279
we see you guys see it and then they

357
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looked at it and then they sent the

358
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osiris out and and they got it so that's

359
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the three

360
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that make sense yeah

361
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and i think catalina island is uh is a

362
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hot spot i mean even the tic tac video

363
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itself was recorded in this area right

364
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so yeah so so before before we even went

365
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out there i did a lot of research for

366
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over a year because i didn't know the

367
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movie was happening we were just trying

368
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to do the expedition we weren't you know

369
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if a movie happened cool but that wasn't

370
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the main thing we wanted to go do this

371
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you know

372
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so

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i met um the editor of the catalina

374
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island newspaper

375
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and he sent me a book that he wrote uh

376
00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:17,920
mysterious catalina and it's all about

377
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the ufo sightings that have been

378
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happening out there since the 40s since

379
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before then

380
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um i have newspaper articles that are

381
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from the 19 1947 catalina island

382
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newspaper front page two airmen spot

383
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discs and they took pictures

384
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same week as roswell it was the seventh

385
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and then roswell everything was that

386
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week so whatever that guy saw was the

387
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same thing that crashed in roswell it's

388
00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:39,600
the same thing that kevin arnold saw

389
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it's the same thing that happened in

390
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maury island

391
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um the whole the whole time that whole

392
00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:45,920
week from from

393
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late june all the way to early uh july

394
00:13:53,670 --> 00:13:52,079
every day on the newspaper was exciting

395
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so whatever it was

396
00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:55,600
ever whatever kenneth arnold saw

397
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whatever these guys saw in catalina

398
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:59,120
whatever crashed in roswell had to be

399
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:00,639
the same thing what are the odds it

400
00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:02,480
wasn't yeah you know

401
00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:03,440
so

402
00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:08,240
i was then introduced to a guy um named

403
00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:09,760
patrick who owns a company called

404
00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:11,279
horizon boats

405
00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:13,600
and what he does is he he's a producer

406
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:15,120
for shark week

407
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,800
and horizon they're the company that if

408
00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:18,480
you want to go swim with with great

409
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:20,240
whites they rent you the shark cage

410
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:22,240
that's what he does okay him and his

411
00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:23,519
team were the people that first

412
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:24,800
discovered that the great whites were

413
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:27,440
made out there towards guadalupe and he

414
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:29,279
got all the scientists out there

415
00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:31,199
came friendly with him and he told me

416
00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:32,880
and he introduced me to some fishermen

417
00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:35,600
captains some whale site well well not

418
00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:37,440
whale hunting but the well sightings the

419
00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:38,480
tours

420
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:39,920
all these different fishermen that would

421
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,360
have sightings you know that they would

422
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:43,199
report to him and they would they kind

423
00:14:46,870 --> 00:14:44,720
of had the same stigma as pilots where

424
00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:46,880
they keep it quiet but they would go to

425
00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:49,040
this guy and he would you know get

426
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:51,279
stories and he told me so i mean it's

427
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:53,839
been going on there forever forever

428
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:56,320
even having the uh testimony from kevin

429
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:57,360
day

430
00:15:01,509 --> 00:14:58,399
you know and

431
00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:01,519
uh even gary voorhees um voorhees is how

432
00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:03,199
you pronounce his last name voorhees

433
00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:05,199
voorhees or he's like like jason

434
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,480
voorhees oh gotcha uh yeah hearing their

435
00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:10,639
testimony what it was like to you know

436
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:12,160
go through what they went through kevin

437
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:15,040
day losing his you know his

438
00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:17,040
longing for his career had it ended his

439
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,040
career short because of uh you know

440
00:15:22,949 --> 00:15:21,600
ridicule that he faced and all that

441
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,959
it's kind of nice to hear that the

442
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:25,440
military is experiencing these things

443
00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:26,720
while they're still sticking to the

444
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:29,680
stigma of don't talk about it and if you

445
00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:31,759
know like anybody who's had an encounter

446
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,440
or anything like that

447
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,120
you want to talk about it but the

448
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,959
reticule is still there

449
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,720
do you think movies like this

450
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:40,480
are ending the stigma at this point

451
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,440
because we're getting a lot more

452
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:43,440
documentaries like this and this is the

453
00:15:47,189 --> 00:15:44,800
first time that we've actually had like

454
00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:47,199
a science expedition to boot in the

455
00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:49,120
documentary that actually produce

456
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:51,839
results by scientific means but louis

457
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:54,079
you're like a nuts and bolts guy so you

458
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:56,160
kind of got to see what dave mason did

459
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:58,399
on the movie uh with his equipment and

460
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,399
you're really changing the game because

461
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:02,480
you're adding different

462
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:05,279
levels to observing these things uh dave

463
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:06,480
so that's

464
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,560
kudos to you for your inventions because

465
00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:10,959
it's it's helping ufology

466
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,279
yeah and i what really inspired it was

467
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:15,519
when i was reading the um

468
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,399
documents as a kid i kept reading about

469
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:20,240
uh there were two phenomenas that were

470
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:21,600
happening along these sightings people

471
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,120
that reporting their compasses were

472
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,440
going crazy or their electronics but the

473
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,160
other observed phenomenon was that the

474
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:30,800
objects had lights that seemed to rotate

475
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,199
or fluctuate in intensity

476
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,519
and if you just rule out what would be

477
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:37,680
the purpose of those lights uh you know

478
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:39,279
obviously they don't need to have lights

479
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:40,480
to see where they're going because we

480
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,279
don't even need that in navigation today

481
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:45,920
and then obviously there's if it's on

482
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,320
certain portions of the craft it's not a

483
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:50,480
byproduct of propulsion

484
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,639
so it only leaves you one third element

485
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:54,079
when that would be it's a form of

486
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:57,120
communication right they want to

487
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:58,639
they want to be seen now what would be

488
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:01,600
within it since we see visible

489
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:03,519
intensity that could be the amplitude

490
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:06,559
modulation but also frequency modulation

491
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,520
and

492
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,520
so like what i have behind me if you can

493
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:11,280
see that three-way lightweight

494
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:12,400
transmitter

495
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:15,839
i'm doing a a spread spectrum

496
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:17,919
transmission where i'm separating them

497
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:20,000
out in spread spectrum so that when it's

498
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:23,280
modulated it is offering both frequency

499
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:26,160
and amplitude modulation

500
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:27,760
and then i have another device that's

501
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:30,000
built into my photo dial binoculars and

502
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,520
into my night vision device that

503
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:33,360
converts light the sound

504
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,400
they have a built-in defocused laser

505
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,720
that is going to be sending out just the

506
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:40,480
amplitude modulation because if you're

507
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,120
just deviating a standard laser it's one

508
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,440
frequency so you don't get fm modulation

509
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,799
so you really want to

510
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,799
spread that spectrum

511
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:50,799
and and see what we can get as a

512
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:53,120
response if if it does implore a

513
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,160
response

514
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,400
and it reminds me of like george lucas

515
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,320
when he was making the star wars movies

516
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,480
there are certain um special effects

517
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:02,400
techniques that didn't exist that he

518
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:05,360
helped invent and uh david altman is

519
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,799
wearing a star wars sweater right now

520
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:08,640
he's a big fan he's got boba fett on his

521
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,679
hand so he's the real deal but you know

522
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:14,320
the sci-fi and all the cool cgi we have

523
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,200
now a lot of that was an invention of

524
00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:19,280
necessity right it he knew what kind of

525
00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,880
movie he wanted to make he knew that he

526
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:22,480
was going to have to invent some stuff

527
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:23,440
because

528
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,960
the market couldn't keep up with him

529
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,880
right he was a savant and what his

530
00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:29,360
vision was and i'm hearing a lot of that

531
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:31,039
coming from you dave mason in terms of

532
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:32,880
like in order for us to capture this

533
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,640
stuff we need smarter equipment better

534
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:36,720
technology and it needs to come from

535
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,520
people who understand what it could be

536
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,280
because if we're looking for stuff on

537
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,360
radio waves like seti

538
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,880
i mean we're basically trying to we're

539
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:47,200
trying to converse in the most primitive

540
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,679
me that we have right there's we and i

541
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,679
like the fact that your light device

542
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:53,520
would capture it turn it into sound and

543
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,480
then re-send it back out so if that's

544
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,320
the language they're speaking so to

545
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,080
speak by sending it back to them it

546
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,799
shows that you know roger we copy and we

547
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,720
are able to send it back to you we can't

548
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,200
modify it and make our own verbiage but

549
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,120
we hear you and we can send it back to

550
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,039
you just like a baby repeating what it's

551
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,200
being told so i thought that was really

552
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,960
intelligent a way to try to

553
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,720
spook on some phenomenon right better

554
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,640
than just point you know looking at the

555
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,720
sky and guessing hopefully they're

556
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:22,400
saying something nice

557
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,280
yeah

558
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:24,960
i mean we're not a big believer of the

559
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,440
threat narrative jason myself uh i think

560
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,200
if they wanted to do malevolent things

561
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:30,960
they could if you're intelligent and you

562
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:31,679
know

563
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:34,000
sophisticated enough to make it here if

564
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:35,280
we you know you wanted us to be your

565
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,679
slaves we would be uh i i think they're

566
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,600
right they've gotten

567
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,600
that advanced they've used their minds

568
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:43,520
they've used consciousness they know

569
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:45,039
that you don't get a thousand or a

570
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,039
million years more advanced by blowing

571
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:49,120
yourself up or creating war and this

572
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,640
type of stuff so

573
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,080
what are your thoughts on that you think

574
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,600
they're good bad you think they're here

575
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,600
for any particular reason

576
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,360
i think we have to demonstrate a level

577
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,160
of intelligence because you can't give a

578
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,480
bunch of monkeys machine guns to defend

579
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,240
themselves against predators if we were

580
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,000
to show them we know what the result

581
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,600
would be of that that's right in fact if

582
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,240
you were to arm the entire world with uh

583
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,799
weaponry you would have a catastrophic

584
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,480
result so we have to demonstrate

585
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,400
something to them but the the reason why

586
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,120
i use also using in light is it's still

587
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,440
the electromagnetic spectrum and we're

588
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,159
still playing with radios which for

589
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,080
whatever we're dealing with it's uh

590
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,880
that's the stone age it's it's uh

591
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,120
it we're playing with smoke signals and

592
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,280
if you look at the progression of our rf

593
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,039
technology where the beginnings was in

594
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,720
the kilohertz range in the megahertz

595
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:38,480
range and now we're

596
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,600
upward to about 500 gigahertz in rf and

597
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:43,840
that's kind of the plateau as far as

598
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,320
and and that's i mean an rf amplifier

599
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,640
that's 500 gigahertz it's about a half a

600
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,240
million dollars i mean just for that

601
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:52,400
particular if you buy it from keysight

602
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,730
um

603
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000
[Music]

604
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:55,919
you look at the progression and so by

605
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,640
just taking something that's uh a light

606
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,039
source that now we're

607
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,520
doing a big quantum jump

608
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,440
and hitting 800 terahertz in the

609
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,280
ultraviolet spectrum so we're really

610
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,200
showing them hey we do have more

611
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,760
advanced uh capability of communicating

612
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,919
with you and and you can certainly put

613
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,240
more data on light we're using it in

614
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,400
fiber optic communications i mean it's

615
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:20,320
an example of it it's used in audio

616
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,919
couplings and things because they find

617
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,240
that you can put more data on it

618
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,720
so it only makes sense to to work within

619
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,240
that spectrum

620
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,159
and fiber optic is rumored to have come

621
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,159
from et technology in the first place

622
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,080
you know a lot of people say you know

623
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,600
there's a certain timeline where our

624
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,400
technology was growing but not a not a

625
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,480
steep curve and then all of a sudden

626
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,840
with the advance of a whole bunch of

627
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,400
things fiber optics being one of them it

628
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,320
does seem to make sense of course so

629
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,520
that's right yeah

630
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,880
that's right

631
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,720
yeah the one thing i disagree with is

632
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,320
the advent of

633
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,000
night vision technology that actually

634
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,480
came out in the mid 30s and in the

635
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:58,240
development of the knight technology

636
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,280
then

637
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,600
if you compare uh the image intensifier

638
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,760
technology to what we have today the

639
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,080
only difference is the introduction of

640
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:08,240
what they call the um

641
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,960
uh

642
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,520
the micro channel plate which acts as a

643
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,120
um

644
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,760
an electron uh magnifier and that's how

645
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,360
we've been able to take night vision and

646
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,720
get you know eighty thousand hundred

647
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,280
thousand gain um and and really that's

648
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,559
about the only thing is the change of

649
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
that and the photocathode materials and

650
00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:26,480
uh then the phosphorus greens

651
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,740
and

652
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,919
[Music]

653
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,159
i don't believe

654
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,679
i did i did

655
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,760
no i don't believe that

656
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,679
then when you look at the now now you

657
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,679
look at ccd cameras and some of the

658
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,679
cameras that are available these photo

659
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,679
sensitivities is really increasing it's

660
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,360
not at the level of

661
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,440
night vision intensifiers but it's

662
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,360
getting there and maybe in 10 years 20

663
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:48,960
years we're going to have solid-state

664
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,679
night vision that will rival the the gen

665
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,640
3 technology or gen 4. well

666
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,000
sorry jerry i was just going to say to

667
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,840
your point there dave my wife and i have

668
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,919
a newborn baby and we bought a

669
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,760
congratulations time monitor thank you

670
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,440
and the night vision and this thing is

671
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,440
unbelievable i go in the room it's pitch

672
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,360
black i can barely see the bed from

673
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,200
stubbing my toe and we go out in the

674
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,360
living room and baby is lit right up

675
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,280
it's like a flare image and this is a

676
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,200
two hundred dollar consumer product

677
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,919
anybody can buy it it probably has a uh

678
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,400
an infrared illuminator it does yeah but

679
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,480
you know that level of technology for

680
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,640
that amount of money things have come

681
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,360
way down and obviously the cutting edge

682
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,240
stuff now is got to be crazy because if

683
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,400
you can buy that as a baby monitor and

684
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,799
it's that good imagine what they have at

685
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,559
the military level or imagine some of

686
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,159
the things you're capable of creating

687
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,640
it's pretty awesome well i mentioned a

688
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,880
few times too that like the phoenix

689
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,120
arizona lights if that was to ever

690
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,679
happen again and it probably will

691
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,840
uh just the technology that we have in

692
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:51,120
our pockets right now with the cell

693
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,640
phones like most people will be able to

694
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,039
capture that like even the uh the

695
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,000
iphones are insane cameras on these

696
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,159
things like you can really get into the

697
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,480
pixels and all that it's bound to happen

698
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,590
movies on iphones now yeah yeah it's

699
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,360
crazy it's crazy

700
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,200
i would like to do a night watch with uh

701
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,200
dave mason i think that'd be an amazing

702
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,960
experience with all that technology that

703
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,840
you

704
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,679
would bring outside yeah that's pretty

705
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,559
crazy

706
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,480
if you need a few uh canadian members of

707
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,200
uapx i know a couple volunteers

708
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,039
all right put us on the list we're ready

709
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,120
to go here we can uh we can watch from

710
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,200
our vantage point let's triangulate

711
00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:31,360
mexico the u.s and canada and see what

712
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,990
we can do

713
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,760
[Laughter]

714
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,159
so in this movie you guys actually have

715
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,960
a few stars that are part of this as

716
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,640
well so it's not just the investigators

717
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,440
from uapx you also have william shatner

718
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:45,360
that makes an appearance you got michio

719
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,880
kaku which is amazing in this as well uh

720
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,960
you know there's a good group of people

721
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,559
that are talking about this issue and i

722
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,240
think having the stars

723
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,360
the stars

724
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,960
people from hollywood anyways talking

725
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,559
about their experiences and there's

726
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,640
quite a few of them now coming out with

727
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,200
you know seeing things really up close

728
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,120
uh miley cyrus is one of those people

729
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,400
that says she had a really close

730
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,039
encounter same with her dad so it's

731
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,559
interesting to see how many people

732
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,240
globally you know are having these

733
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,480
experiences even people in hollywood for

734
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,279
crying out loud uh so that was really

735
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,039
cool to see william shatner on the the

736
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,360
podcast not podcast uh the video

737
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:23,279
documentary and michio okaku as well

738
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,400
which is

739
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,320
to me seems to have changed his tune

740
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,320
like he seems like he's more into the

741
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:30,480
possibility of that we are being visited

742
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:31,360
by

743
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,159
uh

744
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,840
something from either another dimension

745
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,559
or from you know another solar system

746
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,320
but either way there's

747
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,720
been here the whole time yeah or it's

748
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,480
been here the whole time we just don't

749
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,520
have the senses but with david uh or

750
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,679
dave mason's uh technology maybe we're

751
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,520
able to you know understand this

752
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,360
phenomenon a little bit better than we

753
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,080
have right and because of his machinery

754
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,520
and again i won't give away the movie

755
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,840
but towards the end you guys do it was

756
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,000
only a five-day expedition and like you

757
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,600
said day one you had phenomenon right

758
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,360
away but were unable to you know

759
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,440
communicate and coordinate but you guys

760
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,919
quickly figured that out and like by day

761
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,080
five when you looked at your night

762
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,039
vision you actually replicated something

763
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,480
very similar to what happened with the

764
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,240
tic tac video you know the initial

765
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,080
reports of the tic tac video was it was

766
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,760
many and they were coming from

767
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,000
sub-orbital levels right down to sea

768
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,880
level in like a split second and i think

769
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,880
in the movie you guys mentioned that you

770
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,320
also got the same thing it looked like

771
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,559
it was raining tic tacs and the speed

772
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,200
was like 80 000 miles an hour

773
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,200
i mean it's something just ludicrous

774
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,559
that you know we don't even think

775
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,720
something alive could be in there with

776
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,600
the g-forces alone but you basically

777
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,840
were able to capture that tic-tac again

778
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,000
in your own way

779
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,559
uh yeah that's correct and that was just

780
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,080
very strange because when i was doing

781
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,960
the video analysis of the flear i i was

782
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:54,000
seeing

783
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,520
something i'd never seen in the in the

784
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:57,440
thermal cameras and

785
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,400
um

786
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,320
that what we saw were objects that were

787
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,360
dropping from the sky that were in front

788
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,200
of the camera and this has to do with

789
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,880
the variable persistence you get from a

790
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,120
microvolometer in a thermal camera and

791
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,799
if you put like if you put an object in

792
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,159
front of a thermal camera that's warm

793
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,760
and then suddenly move it away you'll

794
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,880
get a

795
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,200
an exposure depth to it where it fades

796
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,640
out because it has to do a thermal

797
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,440
recovery and we then since i was seeing

798
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:23,039
the variable persistence and seeing that

799
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:24,559
it would start from top to bottom i

800
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,360
could

801
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,159
positively identify that the object was

802
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,120
in front of the camera and um at at a

803
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,880
great distance because of the depth of

804
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,760
field and the fact that it was um

805
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,559
transitioning from top to bottom and and

806
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,880
decaying there was a decay factor to it

807
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:42,399
and some of these objects appeared to be

808
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,640
splashing in the ocean when uh we had um

809
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,120
darius from the the film editor he was

810
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,120
going through it and using contrast

811
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,559
methods and he got excited because he

812
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,159
could actually see these things were

813
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,919
apparently splashing in the ocean and

814
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,240
since we knew the distance and i knew

815
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,039
that the camera aspect ratio and then by

816
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,360
calculating pixel density i was able to

817
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,960
do some trigonometry and come up with

818
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,919
some size and um speed estimates

819
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,760
now they become they become estimates

820
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,600
because they were falling at different

821
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,200
points and

822
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:15,520
but what we had were variations i think

823
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,960
between like 5 000 to 84 out i mean just

824
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,679
some some crazy numbers and then sizes

825
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,760
uh i i don't recall the sizes but they

826
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,000
were some of them resembling that with

827
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,640
with the uh the tic tac and and then uh

828
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,640
knuth kevin knew looked at it

829
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,200
independently and said that and matthew

830
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:34,880
sadat has both looked at that and

831
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,600
concurred with my numbers so yeah very

832
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,200
interesting um

833
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,640
that phenomenon

834
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,360
and

835
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,200
can't be a camera artifact although some

836
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,440
people will try to do that but if they

837
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,520
do they're going to have to debate me on

838
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,640
my level of knowledge of clear good luck

839
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,600
so i have objects of that size

840
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,200
falling down at that speed you would

841
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,600
hear a sonic boom at least we'd hear

842
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,399
things

843
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,559
a sequence of sonic booms

844
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,080
but these things don't do that and they

845
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,000
can splash into the water and it's not

846
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,600
like you can't hear it

847
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,799
which is splash into the water at 80 000

848
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,640
miles an hour like can you we don't even

849
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,559
have anything that can go that fast yeah

850
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,799
no let alone you know make contact with

851
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,799
another medium it's and that's what lou

852
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,880
elizondo was mentioning when he said

853
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,960
these five observables the ability to go

854
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,440
from one medium air water doesn't seem

855
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,640
to matter no control surfaces no heat no

856
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,600
propulsion um you know 90 degree turns

857
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,600
crazy g-forces

858
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,159
what i mean even if it is human-made of

859
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,080
some kind of military if you're going to

860
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,000
have a pilot in there

861
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,000
i mean i'm a big formula one racing fan

862
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,880
and formula one is basically at the edge

863
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,960
of we can't make the cars any faster

864
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,559
because we'll be detaching people's

865
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,480
retinas in the corner right it's the

866
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,399
human limitation of the car not the

867
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,840
technology

868
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,679
not to mention blood flow where you can

869
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,000
actually cause somebody to go pass out

870
00:30:03,510 --> 00:29:58,000
yeah that's like fighter jets i've seen

871
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,269
no but it these things

872
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:07,200
seem to operate on consciousness i know

873
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,399
uh dr greer recently came out with a new

874
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,080
documentary that talks about that how

875
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,399
these crafts are operated through some

876
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,480
sort of consciousness so it's either the

877
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,799
pilot that's inside controls the whole

878
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,559
craft his consciousness extends to the

879
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,880
graph there's different ways like even

880
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,600
if you think about like a fighter jet

881
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,000
uh i got to see one really up close and

882
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,279
you know my kid got to sit in the

883
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,960
cockpit and i thought

884
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,480
all they have in front of them is just

885
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,159
this tiny little

886
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,679
joystick

887
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,440
and they're at the front of the freaking

888
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,279
plane like the whole plane is behind

889
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,120
them so they have anything in front of

890
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,720
them so just that is to be able to

891
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,799
maneuver in the skies and see everything

892
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,200
at once but these things tend to have a

893
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:48,880
consciousness that sees everything at

894
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,679
once or b is able to move and dodge and

895
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,399
have incredible agility that is

896
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,000
yeah that's still to us that's not a

897
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,519
human

898
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,279
pilot flying that thing

899
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,440
yeah yeah it's it's likely that it's the

900
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,200
equivalent of a drone and we're already

901
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,600
doing experimentations as far as looking

902
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,080
at uh you know pilot control we're using

903
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,760
my thoughts to do things so that they

904
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:11,279
can do more rapid

905
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,559
reactions it means their drones

906
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,240
yeah and they're and they probably just

907
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,600
can do that with their own thought

908
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,360
process and move these things around it

909
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,960
will and and make them appear and

910
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,519
disappear and and really you know we're

911
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,640
in the stone age and trying to

912
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:26,799
understand this phenomenon and certainly

913
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,679
if we ever come to acknowledging it or

914
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,679
making these discoveries it's not going

915
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,519
to relate to anything that

916
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,919
that we understand i mean it's going to

917
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,080
be beyond us even the people we've had

918
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,440
in our show in the last couple months

919
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,279
guys like george knapp and colin

920
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,640
kelleher you know

921
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
very credible people you know they're

922
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,960
self-admitted that we used to be nuts

923
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,960
and bolts ufo guys and the more we learn

924
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,279
about this the more we realize that it's

925
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,600
now at like the quantum level this is

926
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:55,760
about right metaphysics and the planck

927
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,640
scale and entanglement and because i

928
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,799
mean even if you can travel at the speed

929
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,360
of light nobody's going to a star system

930
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,840
that's 30 million light years away

931
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,600
because it's still 30 million a year one

932
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,760
way trip even at the speed of light

933
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,200
there has to be another way that these

934
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,880
things are moving actually

935
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,799
actually correction you could if you um

936
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,159
let's just say i'm going to go to the

937
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,039
nearest star like alpha centauri and if

938
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,440
i go 0.99.99

939
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,760
the speed of light i can make that trip

940
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,640
my experience will be a short time yeah

941
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:29,279
if i return back return back to earth

942
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,240
uh

943
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,399
people will have aged for nine years

944
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,480
while i'm i'm you know going hey i was

945
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,880
just gone a couple of hours sure so

946
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,559
you have that relativity thing so what

947
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,760
do you do if you're traveling

948
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,200
interstellar and you come back and you

949
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:43,279
find your friends and relatives are

950
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,640
been dead millions of years i mean

951
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,320
that's that's one of the

952
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,320
and the thing i get stuck on is there's

953
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,320
no linear way of getting there even if

954
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,960
you did point and shoot at you know

955
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,799
10 times the speed of light you're going

956
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,640
to hit a planet an asteroid something

957
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,960
along the way right it's not feasible

958
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,720
there is certainly particle density in

959
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,159
outer space that you know to be

960
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:04,080
considered you know dust particles and

961
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,360
things like that sure they're

962
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,840
accelerated obviously they would impact

963
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:09,039
and

964
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,200
there's probably other ways of traveling

965
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,960
and we just haven't figured it out i

966
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,799
think one of the guys on your panel uh

967
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,279
mr knuth he'd even said that within a

968
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,200
cubic meter of volume in space there's

969
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:23,360
still one

970
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,760
so hydrogen

971
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,919
enough speed there is still something

972
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,919
there there is resistance it's not a

973
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,320
total vacuum right so that throws a

974
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,080
wrench into any type of idea of you know

975
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:33,840
how fast you could actually go you know

976
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,360
what's what's terminal velocity in space

977
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:39,039
you know you need a big brain to figure

978
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,320
that out there's a lot of zeros in that

979
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,399
calculation i'm sure unless you've got

980
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,600
shields

981
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,240
yeah yeah or a way of making a bubble

982
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,399
right like even bob lazar had theorized

983
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,399
that that somehow they're making a

984
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,559
magnetic protection you know it's a

985
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,360
ripple or a warp in that space-time

986
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,440
fabric therefore and that would also

987
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,159
explain maybe a living creature could

988
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,000
survive those g-force because they're

989
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,840
not actually feeling the g the physics

990
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,919
are not affecting them or the craft

991
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,079
because they've somehow enveloped

992
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,599
themselves right i mean

993
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,760
there have been humanoid reportings

994
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,359
forever so something's coming here

995
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,359
unless that's already here but but even

996
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,960
the acceleration to near the speed of

997
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,760
light uh it only takes uh i think this

998
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,440
is what stanton friedman had said that

999
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,119
it was um

1000
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,839
if an acceleration for one g

1001
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,520
would get you to the speed of light in

1002
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,440
approximately six months so it's

1003
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,639
feasible

1004
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,000
yep

1005
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,520
yeah but it

1006
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,040
when you hear the reports like even the

1007
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,760
aerial school phenomenon um and they

1008
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:39,919
talk about how these entities look like

1009
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,800
almost plastic they don't look you know

1010
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,560
it's not genuine skin it almost looks

1011
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,919
like they're it's coated by something

1012
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,399
almost like it had too much botox and

1013
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:49,679
i've seen some celebrities that

1014
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,710
another good movie

1015
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,400
i was able to see ariel the aerial

1016
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,920
phenomenon it's a really good movie it's

1017
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,680
coming soon we actually have some people

1018
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,359
from that production coming up in our

1019
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,359
next month's worth of recordings awesome

1020
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,000
yeah no but when i hear stuff like that

1021
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,440
it makes sense that you know you would

1022
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,800
have drones you probably would have

1023
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,200
little worker bees as well uh these

1024
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,119
entities these greys might not be an

1025
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,440
actual entity they might just be

1026
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,200
worker bees right

1027
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,520
i don't know so but it would be nice now

1028
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,440
because we're talking about the uap and

1029
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,839
then we're talking about aliens and some

1030
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,000
people don't correlate the two together

1031
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,520
because we still think maybe it's russia

1032
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,480
maybe it's china and they say no because

1033
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,839
look at russia is having a hard time

1034
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,440
with ukraine if russia had that type of

1035
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,680
technology ukraine would be

1036
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,520
done by now right

1037
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,440
and then you got you know china while

1038
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:43,040
china doesn't have the technology

1039
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,400
they're still crashing their ships on

1040
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,560
their own population for crying out loud

1041
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,480
so it's it's

1042
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,640
it's safe to say now that the

1043
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,640
hypotheses or the theory that these

1044
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,800
things are extraterrestrial or

1045
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,640
interdimensional is

1046
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,520
actually becoming a lot more true

1047
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,040
and what about the sightings you know

1048
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,040
like i was talking about earlier that

1049
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,720
happened in the 40s and before that like

1050
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,760
yeah i definitely didn't have that

1051
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,320
technology in the 40s yeah for sure

1052
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,200
right

1053
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,280
even uh jacques valleed what in his

1054
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,440
recent book when he's talking about 1945

1055
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,200
the crash that happened then and the

1056
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,200
retrieval that took place now it's it

1057
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:19,280
that happened before uh the roswell

1058
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:20,320
incident

1059
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,119
and

1060
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,760
they you know the the us army has had

1061
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,079
technology from somewhere else for quite

1062
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,000
some time like you mentioned the fiber

1063
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,480
optics come from there uh and who knows

1064
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,480
what else is uncomfortable allegedly

1065
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,200
allegedly i love that word

1066
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,920
but uh yeah it's it's crazy to think

1067
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,079
that you know even russia may have some

1068
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,920
of that crash debris and stuff like that

1069
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:43,520
like how much more advanced would it be

1070
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,960
for people like yourself uh mr mason to

1071
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,040
have access to this sort of technology

1072
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,560
and you know

1073
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,400
i don't think we'd be able to comprehend

1074
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,920
it and i'll give you an example if you

1075
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,359
were to take if you were to take just

1076
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,720
your iphone

1077
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,920
and send it to the 1970s

1078
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,920
and give it to the most elite scientists

1079
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,480
and say figure this thing out

1080
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:06,160
yeah they're gonna they're gonna you

1081
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,599
know they'll be able to look at the

1082
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,520
microprocessor okay we know this is an

1083
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,359
advanced microprocessor but we really

1084
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,440
can't figure out how it's processing

1085
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,240
data right and then if you if you look

1086
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:17,280
at

1087
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,240
uh

1088
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,960
let's just go farther so let's say i

1089
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,040
time traveled and i went back a hundred

1090
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,000
years and i met up with nikola tesla

1091
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,079
and i said here's uh you know here's a

1092
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,880
laptop computer take a look at this

1093
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,400
it would go over his head he'd have a

1094
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,560
hard time and if i told him what it did

1095
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,400
he'd have some comprehension

1096
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,640
but it would just be lost on him because

1097
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,480
he had not been

1098
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,560
shared that information he had not had

1099
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,320
his hands on it i'm sure if he came to

1100
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,440
this time

1101
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,000
he'd have no problems but just having

1102
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,000
that kind of technology so if we take

1103
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:52,240
something that's 200 years advanced of

1104
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,119
us

1105
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:55,040
and then try to look at it and reverse

1106
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,320
engineer it

1107
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,599
good luck i don't think we're going to

1108
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,000
understand it or understand very little

1109
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,079
of it i heard that even the aboriginals

1110
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,320
in north america when columbus came over

1111
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,000
at first they couldn't recognize the

1112
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,560
boat it wasn't until you know a leader

1113
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,200
within the uh within the tribe that told

1114
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,440
the people yeah these things exist then

1115
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,520
they could see it but for days it was on

1116
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,200
the horizon and nobody could see it

1117
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,119
because they couldn't they'd never seen

1118
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,680
a giant galleon boat like that

1119
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,599
uh they didn't know such a thing existed

1120
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,520
and their the brain just wants to make

1121
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,599
sense of what it's seeing you know and

1122
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,280
uh yeah they couldn't see it until they

1123
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,680
were told it was possible and then it

1124
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,000
kind of appeared so i totally

1125
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,040
allegedly allegedly yeah

1126
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,720
i'm not sure if this was columbus but it

1127
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,880
was an explorer who took advantage of

1128
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,839
his um his adventures where he was being

1129
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,000
fed by the natives and then he said they

1130
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,440
weren't going to feed him and he said

1131
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:49,599
i'm going to take away the sun

1132
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,829
yeah so the sun gets eclipsed and boy

1133
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,240
they figured out he was a god and gave

1134
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,680
him everything he wanted but he just

1135
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,359
happened to know what was going to be

1136
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,800
happening so you know it was more of a

1137
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,880
charlatan than anything yeah

1138
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,880
um i'm not sure if that was columbus so

1139
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:10,960
that i i i may got the names crossed

1140
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,069
well there's somebody that was yeah

1141
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,320
somebody was i forgot who quoted it says

1142
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,880
something in i'm paraphrasing here uh

1143
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,200
technology for technology so far

1144
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:26,560
advanced it's indiscernible from magic

1145
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,230
i'm not sure who said that but that's a

1146
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,480
good question no i know it yeah oh god

1147
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,560
i'll google it sounds like a max plank

1148
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,640
thing to me i'm gonna go with max planck

1149
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,000
on that one

1150
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:43,440
you're probably right was it was it uh

1151
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,920
um the dude who wrote uh 2001.

1152
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,280
arthur c clarke

1153
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,440
oh i think it is i think it's our arthur

1154
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,000
c clerk yeah but i always loved that

1155
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,680
quote because i thought it's true if uh

1156
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,640
you know

1157
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,800
you mentioned sending some stuff back in

1158
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,839
in a day

1159
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,920
people wouldn't be under be able to

1160
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,319
understand how it works

1161
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,480
when i hear things like bob lazar say

1162
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,160
exactly that same thing saying that they

1163
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,400
were trying to discover what how this

1164
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,160
thing worked but they just didn't have

1165
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,680
the science at the time to be able to

1166
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,000
solve it and really we're just like you

1167
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,160
know monkey's looking at a car we don't

1168
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,160
know we know that it transports people

1169
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,440
but

1170
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,760
did you get on your phone yeah arthur's

1171
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:25,200
t clark

1172
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:26,240
there you go

1173
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,040
um

1174
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,880
so yeah i think this is kind of like the

1175
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,319
age that we're at is sort of that

1176
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,040
innocence but at least consciously as as

1177
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,119
a people we're starting to pay attention

1178
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:37,200
more to what's going on

1179
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,760
even having the congress this week right

1180
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,520
in the united states that's having these

1181
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,079
uh open hearings that's gonna be huge

1182
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,079
because that that shows the public that

1183
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,880
actually the military and the government

1184
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,560
are actually paying attention

1185
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,319
and want to know as much as the people

1186
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,040
want to know what the hell is going on

1187
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,119
and bringing science to the forefront is

1188
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,560
going to be the only way to get in

1189
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,480
skeptic's mind going there with

1190
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:02,800
irrefutable data you know it's no longer

1191
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,480
an opinion it's refute this or what you

1192
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,480
know like it's a lot harder when you

1193
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,040
have something that's legitimate right

1194
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,200
opinion it's easy to be you know

1195
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,520
typecast as an idiot or you know they

1196
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:17,280
really believe they saw it but they

1197
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,960
don't know what they saw yeah when it's

1198
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,040
data when it's in wave form and when it

1199
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,920
comes in a science package that's pretty

1200
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,000
hard to refute unless you have contrary

1201
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,800
data so i think uh with movies like this

1202
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,680
with

1203
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,680
objectives like this to go out and do an

1204
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,520
expedition and let's put this in the

1205
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:35,920
face of some people and say you know say

1206
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,520
no now type of thing right so

1207
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,440
sorry go ahead dave right yeah it'll

1208
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,680
always be refuted uh no matter what data

1209
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,280
you present i mean if you had a

1210
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,839
hollywood saucer landing and little

1211
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,599
green aliens coming out and this was a

1212
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,760
real phenomenal body

1213
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,720
and all these things and and repeated uh

1214
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,240
there would be skeptics there's nothing

1215
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,280
you can do to sway them but

1216
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,520
um what would really help is if more

1217
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,520
people spent time just looking into the

1218
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,520
skies buying either binoculars or

1219
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,599
starting with night vision and just do a

1220
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,520
sky watch and watch i mean you'll see

1221
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,599
satellites and meteors and when you see

1222
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,280
satellites you want to observe something

1223
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,520
that might be changing trajectory or

1224
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,599
speed that's not a satellite

1225
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,599
and that that's the kind of phenomenon

1226
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,599
that will change people's minds if they

1227
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,359
take the time to do that instead of

1228
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,040
playing on the internet is what most

1229
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,040
people do today

1230
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,880
and it really comes down to the

1231
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,200
preponderance of the evidence because

1232
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,880
right now we don't have the majority of

1233
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,720
the population saying that they

1234
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,400
witnessed the phenomenon at least

1235
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,040
admitting to it and we have a phenomenon

1236
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,319
that we accept scientifically every day

1237
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,240
and it's it's something that we take for

1238
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,119
granted and that is a night dream you

1239
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,800
know if i have a night dream i can't

1240
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,880
prove to anyone that i experienced it

1241
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,720
but if i say hey i had this funny dream

1242
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,960
this happened everybody relates and said

1243
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,359
yeah i had a funny or similar a similar

1244
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,000
dream but the fact is scientifically you

1245
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,560
cannot prove your dream existed

1246
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,160
that it actually occurred

1247
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,760
you can hook up instruments and look at

1248
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,400
biological activity but that's not proof

1249
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,440
that's an observation what makes dreams

1250
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,240
acceptable is that the preponderance of

1251
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,599
the evidence is because we know

1252
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,160
everybody experiences it and that it

1253
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,960
gets a uh identity within science

1254
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,720
because of the preponderance of it so

1255
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,960
it's accepted but it can't be proven

1256
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,480
scientifically

1257
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,880
but to put it into perspective what if

1258
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,119
only 10 percent of the world population

1259
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,560
could unders

1260
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,160
perceive these dreams and the other 90

1261
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,560
percent couldn't then that 10 percent

1262
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,040
would be labeled crackpots and crazies

1263
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,359
they need medication that type of thing

1264
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,680
is how that group would be treated

1265
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,280
so that's that's kind of what it is in a

1266
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,680
nutshell you know we have a small group

1267
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,119
of people who have witnessed and

1268
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,760
experienced phenomenon and the majority

1269
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,359
haven't so they're

1270
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,359
they're pushed aside i think this

1271
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,319
phenomenon is so rampant i mean you guys

1272
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,720
made it a five-day timeline

1273
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,079
right on day one you started seeing

1274
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,760
things even though you didn't record it

1275
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,839
and have your stuff you know

1276
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,520
working with itself and everything

1277
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,000
wasn't communicating just yet but right

1278
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,760
from day one you start seeing things so

1279
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,280
i think you're right if more people just

1280
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,560
start looking it's not as rare as we

1281
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,800
think and especially in hotspot zones

1282
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,200
it's happening all the time and uh yeah

1283
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,599
and the tic tac video was recorded on

1284
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,599
not with the naked eye there was filters

1285
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,680
and technology on the gunner footage

1286
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,000
that allowed it to become visible so

1287
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,640
um to your point of get involved with uh

1288
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,800
maybe night vision or something that's

1289
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,400
not as conventional as what we've been

1290
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,720
using for the last 80 years maybe that's

1291
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,880
the secret to be making this you know a

1292
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,960
higher percentage of people that haven't

1293
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,240
experienced because i think you'd agree

1294
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,240
most people that have an experience they

1295
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,000
wholeheartedly believe even if you don't

1296
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,680
believe them they don't care they know

1297
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,599
what they saw and i don't care about

1298
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,440
your opinion so the more people that

1299
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,480
have that

1300
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,040
i think is healthy um you know because

1301
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,880
like jason always says abductions aren't

1302
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:00,400
that bad they always bring you back

1303
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,520
right so

1304
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,599
i mean who knows most of the time

1305
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,599
most of the time yeah they don't let you

1306
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,400
float out the airlock yeah

1307
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,359
but uh no um this movie was good because

1308
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,960
one of the things i liked is usually in

1309
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,359
science you have to have a repeatable

1310
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,040
observation something that you're able

1311
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,359
to observe many times you guys over the

1312
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,280
span of five days were able to do that

1313
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,599
and capture some data which proves that

1314
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,119
these things are actually at that

1315
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,440
location something at that location is

1316
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,760
actually happening and i like that

1317
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,079
because that that proves that more

1318
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,400
scientific work is warranted at this

1319
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,960
point and is needed to understand what

1320
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,720
are these things are and

1321
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,800
what what these things are and

1322
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,359
dave to your uh credit even trying to

1323
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,520
make contact with these things

1324
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,400
is amazing so yeah kudos and thank you

1325
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,720
for trying to do that because that i

1326
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,319
can't i can't do that on my night

1327
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,560
watches i have a little laser pointer

1328
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,319
and that's about as far as i go for

1329
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,750
or you just blind them as they fly by

1330
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,599
yeah well that's that's the point trying

1331
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,359
to cause another crash right on this

1332
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,440
side of the border so

1333
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,640
you got to be careful with laser

1334
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,640
pointers because you know they are

1335
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:12,079
you know if you point them at a pilot

1336
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,440
you can blind their

1337
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,119
you could you could actually disrupt

1338
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,599
their instrumentation yeah or just cause

1339
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,160
them a panic because they see um

1340
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,920
a laser beam in the cockpit they'll

1341
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,359
think that somebody's pointing a rifle

1342
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,520
at them yeah so

1343
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:26,960
uh and it happened to a friend of mine

1344
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,839
who was training me on a cessna so uh

1345
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,680
you know it's it scared him

1346
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:33,440
yeah

1347
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,480
know looking and observing the

1348
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,160
phenomenon and know that you're probably

1349
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,720
going to witness things that are really

1350
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,560
hard for you to accept you know i've

1351
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,319
i've witnessed things just with my eyes

1352
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,480
and i've gone did i really see that did

1353
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,839
that really happen

1354
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,520
did i imagine it it's because it's so

1355
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,200
out of the elements that you

1356
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,160
your mind just doesn't accept it you

1357
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,000
have spoken with enough people at this

1358
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,160
point to know that we dismiss

1359
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,160
occurrences like that very easily

1360
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,560
because if it doesn't fit into the box

1361
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,079
or narrative that we've set for

1362
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,240
ourselves um because that's what we do

1363
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,079
that's how our mind works then we just

1364
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,000
dismiss it it can't be

1365
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,079
you know exactly if a christian family

1366
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,359
is driving down the road you see a

1367
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,880
flying saucer they're not gonna talk

1368
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,560
about it on their way home yeah the

1369
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,240
division is like you know political

1370
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,319
parties people vote on party lines and

1371
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,160
you know this is a bad this is good you

1372
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,000
know that's just kind of how this

1373
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:28,559
phenomenon gets observed the other thing

1374
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,680
i want to point out in in thermography

1375
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,000
what i discovered was accidental so i

1376
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,640
had a 70 000 thermal camera that was a

1377
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:40,079
lab standard that i took from my company

1378
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,319
back in 2005 and i just wanted to um

1379
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,640
try it possibly in astrophotography

1380
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,400
because i do astrophotography and i

1381
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:50,000
found that well the wavelengths aren't

1382
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:51,200
getting through the atmosphere

1383
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,880
effectively so i really can't use it for

1384
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,280
that application and i thought well i'll

1385
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,680
record some commercial jets flying over

1386
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,920
here that'll look cool so i just wanted

1387
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,839
and it was this wasn't on an afternoon

1388
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:03,920
sunny day and i'm panning the camera

1389
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,559
around and i see two very large objects

1390
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,240
in the field of view of the camera which

1391
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,839
would have been about 10 moon lengths

1392
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,359
about five degrees

1393
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,920
of of width in apparent field of view

1394
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,520
and i looked straight up and there was

1395
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,160
absolutely nothing up there i couldn't

1396
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,520
see a thing

1397
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:20,400
and

1398
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,680
video

1399
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,079
they moved slow and they measured minus

1400
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,400
30 fahrenheit but they were invisible to

1401
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,240
the human eye

1402
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,559
and that was very strange and and then

1403
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:36,319
the further add to it there were there

1404
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,839
have been occasions where i've recorded

1405
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,440
objects appearing in

1406
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,440
unknown objects and thermal cameras or

1407
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,440
two thermal cameras and then taking my

1408
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,680
night vision out and observing and not

1409
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,200
being able to see it with gen 3 night

1410
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,680
vision but i could see it with it

1411
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,280
and these are just kind of

1412
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,319
cylinder shaped objects v objects uh you

1413
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,240
know they're not bird flocks they're not

1414
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,720
uh anything of ours they got singles

1415
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,319
yeah uh some of them some of them

1416
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,720
measured down

1417
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,480
i've had some go down to minus 80

1418
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,319
fahrenheit is what they measured in the

1419
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,559
thermal camera and and people don't

1420
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,079
understand that because thermal cameras

1421
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,920
can measure cold temperatures and and

1422
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,839
give you quantitative values

1423
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,440
um so

1424
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,880
you know i don't know what these things

1425
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,960
are i just know what they're not yeah so

1426
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,480
here we are looking for something that's

1427
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,720
going to fit in our field of vision

1428
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,960
whereas these things can exist in the

1429
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:26,480
other

1430
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,200
you know

1431
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,599
spectrum that we can't see exactly yeah

1432
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,839
no it's not stranger than you think it's

1433
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,920
stranger than you can think

1434
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,079
it's it is strange because if you if you

1435
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,839
put it in perspective of wavelengths you

1436
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,160
know we our visual spectrum is between

1437
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,880
about 400 to about 750 nanometers give

1438
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,119
or take a you know 50 nanometers and

1439
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,680
then night vision will typically cut off

1440
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,440
at a thousand to eleven hundred

1441
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,960
nanometers and i'm recording these

1442
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,440
objects between thirteen thousand and

1443
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:55,040
fourteen thousand nanometers so much

1444
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,839
longer wavelengths

1445
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,520
and you know for whatever reason they're

1446
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,440
appearing in that in those temperatures

1447
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599
or cold temperatures or wavelengths

1448
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,920
as it becomes the same thing

1449
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,520
and who knows what these objects are

1450
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,480
they just

1451
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,480
they have odd shapes there's cylinders

1452
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,480
they're solid triangles their b

1453
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:13,920
formations

1454
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,920
backwards so they're not

1455
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:20,079
and then also a lot of the times dave

1456
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:21,119
has caught

1457
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,640
like v-shaped objects with a companion

1458
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,800
next to it yeah yeah i've got one i've

1459
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,880
got one where it's uh

1460
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,440
i'll send you one with a v object with a

1461
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,440
a um

1462
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,359
what do you call it a rectangle it was a

1463
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,720
rectangle that was next to it another

1464
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:39,440
one that just had a dot

1465
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,040
and one of the best ones i have is a a

1466
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,800
trifolia or a uh it looks like a

1467
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,240
cloverleaf

1468
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,920
and i caught it on two separate flear

1469
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,200
cameras

1470
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,359
and one camera captures this thing going

1471
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,119
across and then this was on september

1472
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:54,960
30th 2019

1473
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,839
and then a commercial jet is recorded

1474
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,000
and this object's following it

1475
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,079
and the commercial jet is completely off

1476
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,920
the calibrated temperature span of the

1477
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,480
camera so the camera was spanning

1478
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,480
at a cold temperature range and it's

1479
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,480
just this white hot blooming commercial

1480
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,160
jet but you can clearly see that's what

1481
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,400
it is and then following it is this

1482
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,400
trifoil um

1483
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,720
looks like three spheres that are very

1484
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,319
close to each other

1485
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:22,000
that are following it but they're very

1486
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,440
cold they're i think they were below

1487
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,440
like minus 60 fahrenheit i have to re

1488
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,599
re-examine this thing

1489
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,440
and it doesn't make sense and then then

1490
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,280
if you go well somebody could argue and

1491
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,359
say oh well this just means it's it's

1492
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,359
our stuff and i said well you know

1493
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,280
you've got to look do the trigonometry

1494
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,200
on the camera field of view and if it is

1495
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,640
and if you're saying they're indicating

1496
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:42,160
their environment

1497
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,520
now you've got another problem it

1498
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,440
doesn't make sense so i had a

1499
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,839
meteorologist william puckett who runs

1500
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,400
ufos and w and he examined one of my

1501
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,760
videos of a it was a cold v object that

1502
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,839
transitioned and we we had the

1503
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,920
temperature readout and since he

1504
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,680
he knew what the altitude of the object

1505
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,640
he calculated that it was at 90 000 feet

1506
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,240
and then so i did the you know the

1507
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,240
trigonometry on it so well according to

1508
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,319
this in the camera aspect ratio which we

1509
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,400
knew this object therefore has to be

1510
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,559
2200 feet across

1511
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,079
that's nearly half a mile that's crazy

1512
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,079
so we know that can't be real i mean

1513
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,319
unless it is um

1514
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:22,079
but it certainly is we're not putting

1515
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,599
objects over that and then flying it

1516
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,240
over commercial air space

1517
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,280
where where i reside and i know where

1518
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,760
how highly controlled uh the air space

1519
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,839
is because i'm not too far from seatac

1520
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,160
airport renton field or crestfield or

1521
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,920
boeing field or there's several airports

1522
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,160
and i was taking cessna lessons from

1523
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,400
renton airport and i know how highly

1524
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,720
controlled everything's navigated

1525
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,160
um

1526
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,680
you know you're not going to be flying

1527
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:51,760
black project aircraft within these

1528
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,800
vicinities over highly populated um

1529
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,240
areas and

1530
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,800
how you can make them cold temperature

1531
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,800
and you know it's it's still divides the

1532
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,480
laws of physics and that's even if i

1533
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,559
apply the parameters of object

1534
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,880
emissivity within thermal cameras and

1535
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,359
you take into account the variables

1536
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,200
trying to simulate what would replicate

1537
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,319
that and i can't find any solution on it

1538
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,599
that's crazy

1539
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,280
lack of heat is a big thing i mean

1540
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,720
everything we know in terms of

1541
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,599
propulsion gives off heat even friction

1542
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,839
you know yes absolutely you're you're

1543
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,400
correct you know and how do you overtake

1544
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,920
that you know the sr the sr-71

1545
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,920
would get to like close i forgot the

1546
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,520
numbers it was but it was like 500

1547
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:35,040
fahrenheit or something but at top speed

1548
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,480
on the surface of the

1549
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,359
um of the titanium you know it was

1550
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,280
pretty much limited by temperature

1551
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,880
because i didn't want that thing to

1552
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,319
explode

1553
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,920
and the space shuttle too it's covered

1554
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,520
well when it was running covered in

1555
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:49,839
ceramic tiles just so that it wouldn't

1556
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,480
blow upon re-entry like a meteor so if

1557
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,319
these things are interstellar they're

1558
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,319
coming through that same firmament that

1559
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,839
our own space shuttles have to go

1560
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,160
through and if they are susceptible to

1561
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,440
the laws of physics how do they

1562
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,119
dissipate the heat

1563
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,960
yeah they can't i mean you look at our

1564
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,200
our meteors that fall from space you

1565
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,200
know the 20 30 000 miles an hour and

1566
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,200
they vaporize they burn up and they

1567
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,760
explode we don't even have elements that

1568
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:15,440
we can accelerate at that speed without

1569
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,960
having it fall apart and and break up

1570
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,720
so you know when people say oh this is

1571
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,880
our military technology and

1572
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,079
what you know what i see what's

1573
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,839
happening and it's happening on so many

1574
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,839
different fronts is somebody's puts up a

1575
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,200
website and

1576
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,880
and just makes stuff up

1577
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,040
and then it gets copied and pasted on

1578
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,960
all these other websites and then it

1579
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,119
gets in doctrine just factual

1580
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,359
and and so it becomes a standard but

1581
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,040
there's no proof behind it and that's

1582
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,240
what's really going on in this

1583
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,160
phenomenon from people that are

1584
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,599
putting out you know

1585
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,920
a narrative on this matter and often

1586
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,920
they're doing it under self-promoting or

1587
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,760
or trying to do something to make money

1588
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,960
on it and

1589
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,359
you know they try to find an angle and

1590
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,000
it's so it's so much false information

1591
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,599
that we have to deal with when certainly

1592
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,319
searching online yeah a lot of fake

1593
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,559
videos as well so

1594
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:06,319
we have uh we have a question from the

1595
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,599
audience

1596
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,359
for david mason

1597
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,520
from uh this is on twitter old vet

1598
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,520
symposium we'd like to know

1599
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,559
uh how you were able to teach your

1600
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,960
parrot to play guitar he said your bird

1601
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:20,640
is better than he is

1602
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,319
oh uh i have a kick parrot i've actually

1603
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,359
got two and little sophie she's very

1604
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,760
curious about things and and she was

1605
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,240
playing when i was playing my guitar you

1606
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,079
know i play finger style guitar recorded

1607
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,559
a cd and she would jump on my shoulder

1608
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,799
and try to pluck the strings

1609
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,280
and one day i was just in uh in this

1610
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,200
office here and i i had my guitar

1611
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,119
sitting on a stand and she just

1612
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,359
flew over to it and started playing on

1613
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,480
it and i

1614
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,040
try to get my iphone next to her

1615
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,799
to get video and she'll attack the

1616
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,040
iphone if i pick it up she doesn't like

1617
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,799
me talking on the phone so i had to kind

1618
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:58,720
of do it in secret and i just caught her

1619
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,760
uh playing the guitar

1620
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,839
it's a video that that's gone crazy it's

1621
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,839
at over a half a million views now on

1622
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,799
youtube and and so it's pretty funny

1623
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,319
you went viral

1624
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,000
yeah

1625
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,000
all right uh guys tear in the sky where

1626
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,599
can people find this documentary and uh

1627
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,359
when when was the release date that was

1628
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,760
just it didn't happen that uh

1629
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:24,720
actually released was may 3rd right yes

1630
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:25,440
yeah

1631
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,280
uh it's on amazon itunes apple store

1632
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:30,640
vimeo

1633
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:34,640
um last i checked we were uh number

1634
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,400
five for itunes documentary we were

1635
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:41,359
number two but then michael jackson came

1636
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out and you know knocked us down and uh

1637
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randy rhodes um and uh on apple we were

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number eight of uh all-time independent

1639
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releases

1640
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,839
nice um yeah it's doing it's doing

1641
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:55,520
really good

1642
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,319
yeah

1643
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,559
documentary that we uh both watch and

1644
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:00,960
enjoyed definitely worth watching to see

1645
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,000
how uh these guys did what they did at

1646
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,720
uh catalina island uh louis we're just

1647
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,319
gonna say uh

1648
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,319
a little hello here to jonathan gilmet

1649
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,520
in belgium

1650
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,760
sunny sandu here in canada and dale

1651
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:15,760
brown in usa just shout out to these

1652
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,599
guys uh this week on uap studies podcast

1653
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,160
david dave i appreciate your time uh

1654
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,599
louis did you have any final questions

1655
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,520
for our guest today no i just wanted to

1656
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,440
say uh there's also a cool part in this

1657
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,760
movie uh dealing with a portal we won't

1658
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,520
give it away but if you haven't seen the

1659
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,760
movie it's definitely worth watching um

1660
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,559
and again alleged alleged portal in the

1661
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,520
sky uh but your gear caught it so good

1662
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:41,440
on you guys and uh thanks so much for

1663
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,559
being on the show we look forward to

1664
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,799
chatting with caroline cory next monday

1665
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:45,839
and she can give us a little more

1666
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,319
insight from her inspiration and the

1667
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,000
reason she wanted to make this project

1668
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happen so thanks again guys it's been a

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blast